Sunday, October 7, 2007

Boy, am I dumb

I am an idiot. I’m running off at the mouth about why doesn’t anybody care about the zoning ordinances and the Land Use Map and the Board of Supervisors, and what is this big fascination with the sheriffs, and why does everybody care about the sheriffs when the supervisors impact your life more. And finally somebody has the sense to say, “Hey, Alice. What’s a zoning ordinance?”

Thank you so much for that question, because it tells me why so few people were interested. I can’t believe I was so dumb as to just blabber away about this stuff. There is no such thing as a dumb question, so I appreciate you calling a time out so I can explain this.

Here’s what it is and why it’s important.
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1. What is a zoning ordinance.
When you buy land or a house, you think you own that property, and you can live your life as you choose and do what you want with your land. You sure spend enough money on it, and you pay taxes on it, so we all think it’s really ours to decide. But it turns out that our laws say you can only do what is allowed within a set of special, local county laws, called our Page County Zoning Ordinances. So if you want to put a deck on your house, or add a new room, or put a shed in the back, or add another bathroom, or put an apartment above the garage for your mother in law to live in, you have to ask the county if you have permission to do that, by getting a Building Permit. When you go to the county to ask for a Building Permit, they will check the set of laws called the zoning ordinances first, to see if you are allowed to do that on your land.

These zoning ordinances will even tell you if you can divide up your land and sell pieces off. For example, suppose a piece of land has been in your family for the last three generations. Let’s say you want to break it up into ten lots, because you want each of your children and your nephews and nieces to have a space to build their own house. The zoning ordinances will say in there whether you are allowed to do that.

Another example: suppose you want to sell your family land to a developer to build a housing development. Suppose this would be the best price you could get for your land. The zoning ordinances will say if you are allowed to sell for that purpose.

Another example: suppose you buy a piece of land and you want to build a house on it. The zoning ordinances will say if you are allowed to build on it, and what kind of building it can be. They will also tell you if you are allowed to fix cars in your garage, or sell eggs from your home, or raise goats in your yard.




2. Where do zoning ordinances come from?
The state of Virginia has a code, or a set of rules about how to write laws. This Virginia code says that each county is supposed to lay out their land on a map, and together as a community, come up with a plan for how the community wants that land to be used. Depending on things like how the roads and the mountains and the valleys lay out, the community should pick places where it would be good to have heavy industry, where a lot of trucks come in and out, and other places where it would be good to have retail stores, and places where it should just be open green space and untouched land or parks, and other places where there should be houses and apartment buildings. This community based “vision” of how the land lays out is called a Land Use Map, and it is supposed to be part of each county’s “Comprehensive Plan”.

Our Board of Supervisors is charged with approving this Comprehensive Plan, and they did that in June, but they didn’t ask anybody what the vision was. They just decided for themselves without citizen input.

Oh, and they also forgot to put the Land Use Map in it. So to correct that, they are hiring this consultant, and the consultant is going to hold meetings with the citizens to ask how to lay out where we want business and where we want houses. The reason I and some others object to spending the $43,000 for the consultant to do that is because I think it would be better to have our own county employees and supervisors ask the citizens where they see the vision of the land use, instead of paying a consultant. We will probably need a consultant later, after the land use map is done, to help us to write the correct language that will be legal and pass the Virginia code, and we should save the money for that. The consultant wants $112,000 total, and the $43,000 is just to start, for the easy part.
We don’t have the whole $112,000 budgeted, so to pay the consultant, we have to raise taxes again in the future.

3. How do these decisions get made?
During each election, we elect 3 out of our 6 County Supervisors. One is elected for each of our five Districts. The county is divided into districts based on population. There is also a sixth supervisor who is elected “at large” to cover the whole county, and that person is the chairman of the board. Each supervisor who is associated with a district may appoint two people to be “planning commissioners”. That makes a total of 10 planning commissioners. The planning commissioners meet twice a month at the courthouse, and they consider people’s requests to change the zoning of their land. They can ask for a “special use permit” if the zoning doesn’t let them do what they want to do.

For example, maybe a person wants to build three houses on their land, and they have to ask for a special permission. The Planning Commission listens to their argument about why they want to do it, and they decide yes or no.
If the Planning Commission decides no, then the person is not allowed to do what they want with their own land. If they decide yes, then the person gets to ask the Board of Supervisors if they can do it. In theory, the Board is supposed to look at the Land Use Map and see if the request will fit in. But we don’t have a Land Use Map so they just decide whatever they think is right, without one.
If the Board then says no, the person cannot do what they want to do with their land.

4. What is the consultant going to do?
Hopefully, the consultant will help us get a land use map so that zoning decisions can be made from it. If the consultant is worth what we are paying him, he will hold citizen meetings to get input about how the land use map should be. But if the citizens don’t care and don’t show up at the meetings, the consultant will still get paid, and then our land use map will be what someone other than the citizens (the click? The Trogs and the Crits?) wants instead of what the community wants. Then we can use that map to write more zoning ordinances. There is one being rewritten right now. It is called the ByRight Subdivision ordinance (ordinance means law, or local law). It is about what you can do if you want to sell off pieces of your land. It tells you the rules for selling it off.
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I hope I have explained it more clearly. If you have any other questions, please do not feel embarrassed about asking. I should have realized this would not be common knowledge.

To get involved with this process, and make your voice heard and your wishes known, come to these county meetings. The schedule for them is on the county website at http://www.pagecountyvirginia.gov and you can call the county office at 743-4142 to find out the location and what is going to be talked about. You can also ask the county to automatically notify you by email if any meetings are being held. You can also ask the county for copies of the minutes of the meetings, but they take months to print them, so the best thing is to keep reading this website. We try to post what happened the next day.
They are usually on Monday or Tuesday nights at the Luray Courthouse, or at Stanley Elementary School or Shenandoah Elementary School.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I very humbly thank you. I will print this out and now I can explain it to anyone else that asks me.

Anonymous said...

i am so glad to have found this web site. I am learning so much!! I see things wrong with this county more and more everyday. I am not very smart and this site is helping me learn! like the zoning ordinances. i had no idea what it meant. I thank ya'll so much for making this web site. page citazines can now learn (who was to afraid to ask, because of looking dumb me hehe)! It will help those of us who want to make a change but didn't know how before! Thanks again, so much!!!

Anonymous said...

Boy, am I dumb

no arguments here.

Anonymous said...

Chris says Alice you seem to always downplay the sheriffs race and want people to focus on other things.Theonly reason people come here is to talk about the race.That's it this other stuff is for people like you who don't have a life!You agree

Page County Watch said...

Chris, why is the sheriff's race so important? Unless you work for the police or are a relative of the police, there's no reason you should have any contact with the sheriff's office.

But the Supervisors determine how much tax you pay and what you can do with your house and land and influence whether any jobs will ever be here in the county. That is what should impact your life more.

Anonymous said...

But the Supervisors determine how much tax you pay and what you can do with your house and land and influence whether any jobs will ever be here in the county. That is what should impact your life more.

I believe you will find that very few of these BoS contests will be very close. Just a hunch.

People are very interested in the Sheriffs race because there is a large constituency that supports Danny and the work he has accomplished in his last 2 terms in office. Many people native to the county know the changes that have been made for the positive.

There are many others in the county that feel there needs to be change in the leadership of the Sheriffs Department. They are using this board to try to find a discernable lead challanger to Danny. While all may be fine men and excellent candidates, the division of the anti-Danny crowd will secure Presgraves' re-election for a third term.

Don't try to shove topics at the people reading and posting on your blog.

Anonymous said...

1)I asked the question about the zoning ordinances. I did not go to the Election thread to post it.

2)Alice Richmond does not make me "focus on other things" nor is answering a question for me "shoving topics".

3)I most certainly do "have a life"...I just choose to try to improve my brain matter rather than show that I have only lobe working at a time.

4)Kindly return to your Sheriff's thread and do your ranting there.

Anonymous said...

I share the concern for the zoning issues. I don't plan to be involved with the sheriff so the race is of mild importance to me. What can really impact my life is zoning. It can determine things like what I can build where. It can open the door to development or protect your land. The sheriff election is a passing event. Zoning can change your life and way of living. I suspect you have an interest in the Sheriffs race for personal reasons and can't look at several things at the same time.

Anonymous said...

I suspect you have an interest in the Sheriffs race for personal reasons and can't look at several things at the same time.

I suspect that the majority of people that are worried about the zoning issues are transplants that own a small minority of the county's property.

Now we have both made assumptions with no merit.

This board is a joke.

Anonymous said...

Do natives who own most of the property not care if the board of supervisors has an agenda to prevent you from selling your land for the highest price possible? Or do natives just figure they're never going to sell?

Anonymous said...

Do natives who own most of the property not care if the board of supervisors has an agenda to prevent you from selling your land for the highest price possible?

What agenda? These people are not out to get you. They do not take a job that pays so little just to rob wealth from the citizens.

The paranoia on this blog is frightening.

Anonymous said...

....suppose you owned land for over 3 decades without these restrictions. Are they now allowed to put these restrictions on your property? Do we adhere to the new ordinances or are we grandfathered under the old ordinances? I just don't understand how safe we are now and in the future as far as leaving our children and grandchildren what we are so proud to have bought, paid for, improved, and hopefully provided for our future families. If it is a matter of right-of-way, septic systems, etc. I understand. I think I understand the Comprehensive Plan which is good for our county, but it is still scary to think that we own something but we still have only a partial say-so about certain provisions.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to respond to the poster 2 above who said the Supervisors are not out to get you.

What we saw when they did that flood plain ordinance thing was beyond belief. They absolutely were about to pass, in December of 2006, an ordinance that would have effectively taken the land and homes of citizens without compensation. John Rust, running for District 2 Supervisor, is quoted in the minutes of that meeting as saying he is "100% FOR the flood plain ordinance".

Yes, they would have tied the county up with lawsuits enough to keep George Shanks well funded. But where was he when they were about to do that? Did he come out of the woodwork and say, "no, you can't just pass laws that tell people their homes are worthless and can't be sold?' He didn't say that. Instead, he sat there and tried to think of loophole ways to get around the Supreme Court ruling that prevented them from doing that.

On top of that, they passed a Comprehensive Plan that had no consensus or buy in, and which directs the county to push all business and new development into the town. You see how happy the town is about that.

PLUS, the Comprehensive Plan doesn't have the Land Use Map in it, which is required by the Virginia Code, so they just hired a consultant to write a Land Use Map, which needs to be done by a consensus buy in of the citizens, not by a consultant.

So don't tell me these people do not have an agenda, and they don't take a job that pays so little just to rob wealth from the citizens.

All objective observation says this set of them apparently does.

To the poster directly above me:

Yes, even if you've owned the land for 3 decades without restrictions, the Land Use Map and the zoning rewrite could change what you are allowed to do with your property. the county is supposed to be holding meetings and asking the citizens what it is they want their county to look like, so that zoning changes are met with citizen consensus. They were supposed to be doing that before they wrote the Comprehensive Plan -- or excuse me, before they allowed ONE PERSON to write the comprehensive plan -- but they didn't do it then, and now they have hired a consultant to do it.

If all of us make a BIG, BIG FUSS ABOUT IT, there is an excellent chance our input will be included when the consultant puts together the plan.
But if we roll over and play dead . . . whoop, could be somebody's going to find out their land just got zoned in a way they hadn't planned for.

It's my opinion that citizens need to ALL get out and vote, be well informed about the behavior and actions of the person you are voting for, and keep that person's phone number on your speed dial when they are elected.

And if you hear anything, anywhere about a citizens meeting about the Comprehensive Plan -- show up. Because if that plan says YOUR land would be a perfect place to put a wildlife preserve . . . you don't want to find that out after it's a done deal.

This is Alice's humble opinion, and while Poster 2 Above may think the paranoia is frightening, even more frightening is the paternalistic attitude that the Board of Supervisors knows best and can write a county's comprehensive plan without buy in and consensus from its people.


Alice

Anonymous said...

Alice, I think you are taking yourself too seriously. Relax, or you are going to have a heart attack.