Friday, June 15, 2007

The Supervisors Retreat

The Supervisors Retreat June 14, 2007

Background: At the May 15 Supervisors meeting, a motion was made for the Supervisors to go on a Retreat so that they could discuss the Comprehensive Plan in detail, and make any necessary changes. At that time, the Board had before it a motion from the Planning Commission to end debate on the flood plain ordinance until there were specific maps from FEMA. With 70 + people in the audience at Stanley Elementary School, and many citizen objections to the Comprehensive Plan, particularly the line that said “prohibit buildings and businesses in the 100 year floodplain”, the Board decided to postpone action on that motion until after dealing with the Comprehensive Plan. The Retreat was scheduled for June 14 at Skyland.

Attendees: In attendance were the five supervisors, plus Dr. Tom Cardman (Economic Development), Mr. Mark Belton (County Administrator), Ms. Regina Miller (Executive Assistant to the Board), Mr. Kevin Henry (County Planner).

Members of the audience were Mike Trader, Jean Trader, Jim Turner, Carl Turner, Alice Richmond, Steve Hunsicker, Natalie Zuckerman, and Jamie Turner (Page News and Courier). The audience (Page County Watch) brought two professional level videocameras and set them up in the room, in consideration of the many people who wanted to attend but were unable to because of the date and time of the meeting.

The Room: The Mountain Room at Skyland held a conference table, and a side table filled with coffeee, juices, and breakfast pastries. There was plenty of seating available for the public.

The Agenda: The agenda allowed 1 ½ hours for discussion of the Comprehensive Plan, followed by a break, followed by an hour for discussion of the school construction, followed by lunch, followed by a discussion of the county office building. The meeting was scheduled to be over by 2 p.m.

What actually happened: Mr. LaFrance opened the meeting. He expressed his dismay that the public and the press chose to come, and to bring videocameras. He said that the Supervisors are not allowed by law to talk among themselves about county business, and so when they set up a Retreat, it is with the hope that this will give them an opportunity to really hammer things out with some privacy. However, he said, this was a public meeting and if that is what we chose to do, then we had the right to do it. He noted that the juice, coffee, and pastries were for the Supervisors only, not the public.

The discussion about the Comprehensive Plan began. Each Supervisor had with them a copy of the changes that were made to the Plan, showing the markups. However, the discussion was subdued. Mr. LaFrance said he thought the objections of the citizens could be addressed if Mr. Henry would take his electronic copy of the plan and do a “find and replace” of the word PROHIBIT, replaced with the word REGULATE. He said that the word Prohibit was profusely scattered throughout the plan, and that as a result, it appeared to give the Planning Commission guidance to write ordinances that were restrictive to a fault, aka the flood plain ordinance. He said that changing that word would seem to essentially address the citizen objections. For example, instead of saying “Prohibit buildings and businesses in the 100 year flood plain”, the plan would now say “Regulate buildings and businesses in the 100 year flood plain” There was general agreement that this would be a good thing. The Supervisors were then asked to give any other changes to the specifics of the plan that they would like to see to Mr. Henry by June 28. He would then print out the corrected pages of the Plan, and they would review them in the work session on July 3. Mr. Belton pointed out that they would not need another public hearing, because the public hearing was held on May 15. However, Mr. LaFrance thought it would be a good thing to hold informational meetings about the Plan, district by district. That is, each Supervisor in their district would set up a citizens meeting, for their district residents only, to openly talk about the plan Supervisor to citizens.

Mr. Rust (Supervisor District 2) said he was eager to get this plan approved so that they could get on with the business of the Zoning Ordinance rewrite. He said they had spoken to someone at Virginia Tech (I may have that wrong, it may have been a state agency) and they had a project whereby for no or minimal cost they would come out and speak to the citizens in groups about the reasons and the needs for zoning ordinance changes. He thought this would be a good thing, to help the citizens understand why certain things had to be done.

Mr. Cubbage, Ms. Strickler, and Mr. Hoke made a few comments each, but none that I wrote down in my notes.

They then decided that the plan to move forward would be for Mr. Henry to make the Prohibit to Regulate change, and for each Supervisor to give Mr. Henry any other changes they would like to make privately, and the changes to be reviewed in the July 3 worksession.

After one hour, the meeting about the Comprehensive Plan was over.

Then they took a half hour break. Then they talked about the school construction bids. Then they talked about the county office building. At 11: 45 a.m. the meeting was over and they went to lunch. Before breaking for lunch, Mr. LaFrance addressed the audience regarding the flood plain ordinance. He said, while the cameras were still rolling, “The draft flood plain ordinance died when the planning commission failed to act on it after 90 days, and the Board of Supervisors has no action before it to respond to anything or do anything regarding the flood plain ordinance.”

After the meeting, after the cameras were turned off, we, in a group, asked Mr. LaFrance to further explain his statement about the flood plain ordinance. We asked, “what about the motion that was before you, and what about the statement by Mr. Hoke that you were postponing action on that motion until after the Comprehensive Plan was dealt with”. Mr. LaFrance said they didn’t act on that motion so that it would die, and it was dead.

We asked him if we could now tell all the real estate agents and everyone that absolutely, it was dead, and he said yes, it is dead. He said if the Planning Commission were to rewrite a new one, it would be starting over, and it would have to go through the entire process all over again, but the Board has not asked them to write a new one or to rethink any old ones. It is dead.

And that’s what happened at the Supervisor’s Retreat. If you would like to Blog about this, push the Comments button.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

REGULATE is better than PROHIBIT but I would prefer a broader term such as MANAGE. In my mind, REGULATE would seem to presume ordinance changes are the only answer to every issue whereas MANAGE permits ordinance changes as well as other solutions.

Who paid for the coffee, juice and pastries? Certainly if tax dollars were used to purchase them, the taxpayers who were present should have been invited to share them.

Was the notion of having the supervisors meet informally with groups from within their respective districts permissive or mandatory?

Page County Watch said...

Manage was a word that was mentioned as a possibility, but Regulate won the day. This has not happened yet, and the Supervisors have until June 28 to privately and secretly send their opinions to Kevin Henry, so it's not too late to call your supervisor and mention that.

The taxpayers paid for the juice, coffeee, and pastries. At the end of the meeting, they were all still sitting there untouched. The Supervisors didn't seem to have that much of an appetite.

The notion of the district meetings was set out, but whether they will actually occur is still to be seen.

Kim said...

"Regulate"...
"Manage"...

My questions is....why?!

The flood plain and its occupants have been doing just fine. There is simply no reason for there to be any regulation or management whatsoever. What purpose will this management serve? What problem will be solved.

The one phrase that keeps going 'round in my head is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Period.

The simple concept that seems to have escaped so much of our governmental entities is that not everything must be regulated. Just because the government may have the power does not mean it must be exercised.

Leave it alone. Leave the flood plain alone. Leave the people on the flood plain alone.

Kim said...

One more thing...

I very much want to send a heartfelt Thank You to all those who have devoted so much time and energy to preserving the homes of the flood plain occupants.

Believe me...your countless hours of hard work (running this website, knocking on doors, watching those who need to be watched, attending meetings etc.) are greatly appreciated.

Page County Watch said...

Kim, my impression is that the Supervisors believe it is their mandate to "preserve our rural lifestyle", which is being translated to mean "set up a Master Plan for zoning that will direct development into specific areas". Because everyone is essentially a volunteer (Planning Commissioners are volunteers, Supervisors pay is so nominal it is the equivalent of volunteering), and because they have been pretty much ignored by the citizens to date, they are moving forward with the idea that it is their prerogative to put this zoning plan into effect. The problem, as we saw with the Comprehensive Plan, is that work is only done in the meetings, not outside of them, and with all of this citizen involvement, they have been reluctant to reveal their intentions in the meetings, because of the outcry and backlash. So the citizens talk, and they say "thank you for your input", hide behind the process, and proceed with the original plan anyway. So far, it's been a game of Rope-A-Dope. They are waiting for the citizens to tire out, so they can get back to the business of what they believe they were elected to do.

There is no doubt that it is normal in counties to come up with a Master Plan for zoning. Page hasn't really had one. So I think that is where they think they are going. But unfortunately, they don't have a team of professional planners doing that, and the consultants they are prepared to hire, they only budgeted $25,000 for, which will get them maybe 3 weeks of a professionals time, which would do what?

So I think there is a problem here.

Anonymous said...

It’s clear to me that changing the word (prohibit) to (regulate) in the following sentence in the Page County Comprehensive Plan (CP), or county vision, is totally unacceptable:

“3. c. Developing ordinances that prohibit housing and commercial building in the 100-year flood plain.”

Developing ordinances - - means - - making laws

This sentence should be STRICKEN from the (CP) – period! The Board of Supervisors is in charge of managing ALL county areas, so there is no need to include this specifically for the flood prone areas in the (CP).

Leaving this sentence in the (CP) tells me that they need to (intend to) write MORE LAWS in the future concerning the flood plain. All our flood plain ordinances or laws are currently in complete compliance with both state and FEMA laws. Heaven’s! We have enough laws and regulations concerning the flood plain areas now - - so we surely don’t need more laws!!!

It is imperative that we write and/or call our Supervisors NOW and tell them to strike this sentence from the Comprehensive Plan - - We have enough laws concerning the flood plain, and that just replacing the word prohibit with regulate is unacceptable!

Page County Watch said...

Jean, that's pretty much what I heard the citizen input say on May 15. Postponing a response a month to have a "retreat" pretty much allows them to forget what the sentiment was when 70+ people were at that meeting. It does very much appear that the Supervisors are non-responsive to the people.

I say . . . let's unelect them, and elect somebody else.

There is a June 29 candidates forum at the VFW. Let's go to that.

Alice Richmond

Anonymous said...

I was just going to attack the petty and ignorant statement Mr. LaFrance made regarding his/their juice, coffee, and pastries. After read the other responses, I want to add my vociferous objection to allowing the line; “3. c. Developing ordinances that prohibit housing and commercial building in the 100-year flood plain.” to remain in the Comprehensive Plan. Jean said best and the rest of us should jump on this; "This sentence should be STRICKEN from the (CP) – period!"
Amen!

Page County Watch said...

Karl . . . what are we going to do about it? We go to their public meetings IN FORCE. We had over 70 people at that May 15 meeting. Speaker after speaker told them that. There are plenty of ignorant and harmful statements in Natalie's new version of the Comprehensive Plan, but in general, citizens don't care about that. We cared about that one line, and we told them very clearly it was that one line.

But what did they do? They hid behind the process, ran away to a retreat thinking we wouldn't follow them there, and when they got there, they totally ignored that objection by the citizens. They threw us a bone to say "regulate" instead of "prohibit". It's a game of Rope A Dope. They are just hanging out on the ropes, covering their faces, waiting for the citizens to tire out from doing this extraordinary vigilance, so they can get back to doing whatever they want to do, like they expected to do when they were elected.

Letters to the Editor help. When we get the video edited from the meeting, we will put it on YouTube. Please write letters to the editor. Express disapproval of these Supervisors. Particularly, express disapproval of the one that is up for election .. John Rust.

We will have to wait two years to get the rest of them. But when you've got Supervisors who are this arrogant, unresponsive, if what I suspect about the budget turns out to be true, downright abusive of their power, we have no choice but to get them removed.

That's what I'm advocating at this point. Do what we have to do. And GET THEM OUT.

While waiting to do that, it would also be good to call your Supervisors, particularly at home during dinnertime, and tell them they have the option to take that sentence out and they need to do it. Why don't they do it? It's simple. They did before and they still DO want to clear the flood plain of all us "roaches" who live here. That's how all this started.

Alice Richmond

Anonymous said...

I managed to acquire a markup of the comprehensive plan that was being considered at the retreat. I really hate to be the one to break it to the Board of Supervisors and the Planning Commission, but it does not reflect what Virginia code 15.2-2223 contemplates. The code calls for a comprehensive plan for the physical development of the county (i.e.,plans for land use.) It has nothing to do with establishing policy, imposing prohibitions, regulating, developing business, creating tourism, creating jobs, etc. Basically it is a mapping exercise that is suppose to show what is and what might be regarding land use. How all of the other junk got into the plan is pretty much a mystery. It would appear that the folks who pertrated the amended plan fraud assumed that the current plan reflected code when it was written years ago. I have often been told that assume makes an ass out of you and me. I may be an ass since I like everyone else assumed the junk in the plan actually meant something. Most of the goals and objectives included in the plan have nothing to do with land use/ physical development of the county. The most recent draft is about 100 pages. If you take out all of things that are not relevant to the plan it probably would be less than 50 pages.It seems that every time the usual suspects get involved things get FUBAR.

The sad thing is that the Board folks are so anxious to approve something called a Comprehensive Plan that they may not care that what they approve is nonsense.

Karl said...

Steve, I for one do not have a copy of the "markup of the comprehensive plan that was being considered at the retreat".

Would you please post that document for the rest of us, please, as well as a copy of Virginia code 15.2-2223. I'm sure any of us could track that info down, but if you already have it available, your submission would certainly accelerate everyone's ability to interpret what the "code calls for".

Thanks so much,
Karl

Anonymous said...

Where is the video of the meeting that was stated in the paper as being on YouTube? I'd like to see it.

post the link?

Page County Watch said...

Anon, we still have to edit and process the tape. We haven't posted it yet. When we do post it, be assured we will put big signs on the top of all the pages.

Page County Watch said...

Karl, the Virginia code is posted under Comprehensive Plan on the main site. The other documents will be posted there soon (technical issues with how to post them)

Anonymous said...

Karl,

I thought I posted a comment in response to your query aboutn where to obtain the docs but I must have clicked my comment into oblivion.

Sorry.

It appears that the PCW folks now have it available on the site.

I would be interested in reading your comments after you take a look at reality.